Is the XBox 360 hype over?

I can't believe someone said the DC was a flop!!! That system produced some all time greats.

If you think about it, every system in one way or another has it's own merits....and it comes down to exclusive games that only came out for a specific platform. If you're an old school veteran gamer just think back to all the previous platform you've owned or played and I bet you can come up with a few or more classics from each that were only for that specific system.......think about some arcade classics which were never even reproduced on a home console!
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Settbacca @ Feb 22 2006, 11:45 AM) [snapback]48789[/snapback][/center]
I can't believe someone said the DC was a flop!!! That system produced some all time greats.

If you think about it, every system in one way or another has it's own merits....and it comes down to exclusive games that only came out for a specific platform. If you're an old school veteran gamer just think back to all the previous platform you've owned or played and I bet you can come up with a few or more classics from each that were only for that specific system.......think about some arcade classics which were never even reproduced on a home console!
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I agree with you 100% on this.
DC is the most underrated console of all time.

Best 2D fighters on any system bar none.

Some unbelievable games came out for that system, that were innovative and fun as hell.

Mr. Driller, Rez, Sega Marine Fishing, Crazy Taxi, Soul Calibur, Ecco, Shenmue, Chu Chu Rocket...honestly there are countless incredible games for this system...AND a very healthy and talented homebrew/emulation community.

most underrated console EVAR.
 
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I agree with you 100% on this.
DC is the most underrated console of all time.

Best 2D fighters on any system bar none.

Some unbelievable games came out for that system, that were innovative and fun as hell.

Mr. Driller, Rez, Sega Marine Fishing, Crazy Taxi, Soul Calibur, Ecco, Shenmue, Chu Chu Rocket...honestly there are countless incredible games for this system...AND a very healthy and talented homebrew/emulation community.

most underrated console EVAR.
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Reason it became underrated was the fact that Sega just gave up on it (like they do every system) before PS2 or GameCube came out.

I'd also like to add on there Jet Grind Radio!
 
They didn't neccissarily give up on it.....had they continued to produce the system they would have financially gone under. They had to pull out of the hardward business and when they did console support/development went with it.

If you were a software delveloper/producer would you make games for a console that was no longer going to be manufactured and sold?

Just like most of the current big 3....most, nowadays, lose money on console sales. The money is in the games and softare....hardware is a losing business. Don't think for a second that Nintendo is where they're at because of their console sales (save for the gameboy) It's because of their software sales. Remember that in the early days of the 80's video game revolution, the big N had a lockdown on the games that could be produce for the NES and gameboy and saw money from everything that was put out for those systems.
 
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I can't believe someone said the DC was a flop!!! That system produced some all time greats.

If you think about it, every system in one way or another has it's own merits....and it comes down to exclusive games that only came out for a specific platform. If you're an old school veteran gamer just think back to all the previous platform you've owned or played and I bet you can come up with a few or more classics from each that were only for that specific system.......think about some arcade classics which were never even reproduced on a home console!
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As fun as the games for the DC were, it is STILL a flop because it crashed and burned so fast after release. Flop just means result of sales and profitablilty from a business standpoint. Excellent products have been flops in the past and will be in the future (i.e. Serenity, although a great movie, was a flop in the box office).
 
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Reason it became underrated was the fact that Sega just gave up on it (like they do every system) before PS2 or GameCube came out.

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Christ I should be slapped for leaving that off the list, good call Timi.

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They didn't neccissarily give up on it.....had they continued to produce the system they would have financially gone under. They had to pull out of the hardward business and when they did console support/development went with it.

If you were a software delveloper/producer would you make games for a console that was no longer going to be manufactured and sold?

Just like most of the current big 3....most, nowadays, lose money on console sales. The money is in the games and softare....hardware is a losing business. Don't think for a second that Nintendo is where they're at because of their console sales (save for the gameboy) It's because of their software sales. Remember that in the early days of the 80's video game revolution, the big N had a lockdown on the games that could be produce for the NES and gameboy and saw money from everything that was put out for those systems.
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This is 100% correct.

Consider the article linked earlier in this thread, the cost to Sony of the PS3 will reach 900$,yet they will sell for likely close to 1/2 that price.

Thats the main reason I said I believe the Revolution will be Nintendos last console.
Nintendo has very strong first party gaming franchises (Mario, Zelda, Metroid etc..) that would be crosss platform successes.
Nintendo really has no reason to produce the money losing console, except to monopolize the profit on its software.

The issue becomes when your console doesn't achieve the market penetration that the others do, at that point, you have to ask if it might be better to take less profit on each copy sold, but reach significantly more games via the other consoles.

The wildcard here is the Japanese market where the initial Xbox was nearly a non-entity while the Gamecube sold very well.

If the current incarnation of Xbox has significant market penetration in Japan, expect to see big N seriously consider going software only.
 
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Christ I should be slapped for leaving that off the list, good call Timi.
This is 100% correct.

Consider the article linked earlier in this thread, the cost to Sony of the PS3 will reach 900$,yet they will sell for likely close to 1/2 that price.

Thats the main reason I said I believe the Revolution will be Nintendos last console.
Nintendo has very strong first party gaming franchises (Mario, Zelda, Metroid etc..) that would be crosss platform successes.
Nintendo really has no reason to produce the money losing console, except to monopolize the profit on its software.

The issue becomes when your console doesn't achieve the market penetration that the others do, at that point, you have to ask if it might be better to take less profit on each copy sold, but reach significantly more games via the other consoles.

The wildcard here is the Japanese market where the initial Xbox was nearly a non-entity while the Gamecube sold very well.

If the current incarnation of Xbox has significant market penetration in Japan, expect to see big N seriously consider going software only.
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And that's exactly the point. The XBox won't ever get significant penetration in Japan until the culture of Japan changes. Thus, N will still sell a shitload of consoles overseas and will most likely continue to keep making consoles after the revolution.
 
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As fun as the games for the DC were, it is STILL a flop because it crashed and burned so fast after release. Flop just means result of sales and profitablilty from a business standpoint. Excellent products have been flops in the past and will be in the future (i.e. Serenity, although a great movie, was a flop in the box office).
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Oh ok, I thought it was being characterized as a flop in terms of merit as a gaming console and quality of games.

I agree that in terms of commercial viability it is a flop.


Being as heavily into the console arena as I am, I have heard lots of theories as to the reason for the DC's failure.

One of the most often given , is the media the DC chose, the GD Rom.

Apparently this was a colossal pain in the ass for developpers to accomodate, and discouraged alot of third party developpers from participating.

There is also the issue of piracy...to be blunt, a mod chip and a burner and you werein business w/ a PS1...DC games could not be copied, and you had to rely on selfboot (or Utopia bootable games) to be made available on the Net.
I believe that the ease with which the PS1 could be compromised contributed to its popularity.


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And that's exactly the point. The XBox won't ever get significant penetration in Japan until the culture of Japan changes. Thus, N will still sell a shitload of consoles overseas and will most likely continue to keep making consoles after the revolution.
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Actually I'm thinking it will be MS who will change to try to fall more inline with their culture.
There has been lots of rhetoric from MS about this very subject, and while I don't have a crystal ball to tell me that they will be able to do it...I do feel that this they DO pull it off, it will result in N going software only.
Not that this will bring me any great joy, more competition will only lead to more benefits for us as consumers, but I can't help thinking this might be the end of an era once the revolution hits, I hope I'm wrong.
 
The reason why Nintendo can continue to produce console without much of a worry in profit loss?

Well, actually 2 points....one being the sale of Gameboy related products (gb, gbc, gba, DS, etc etc) propels their numbers into the stratosphere. The PSP may be a direct competitor, but still isn't even on the same plane of existence as the success level the handheld market has brought to Nintendo. These profits alone are what allow Nintendo to take new ventures into the home console market.

2nd point.....the word "Nintendo" is synonymous with "video games" in a very larger percentage of US households (we don't even have to mention Japan) So when mom and pops are out at the store looking for a gaming system in stores/dept. stores for Jr. They relate when they see the word or title "Nintendo" These consoles that Nintendo produces are sold on the name alone in a lot of cases.

If Nintendo was really worried about their next gen platform competeing with MS and Sony they would produce a machine on equal footing with them in terms of technology. They're aiming for a different market but their name alone will still sell the Revolution in boatloads.....and thats just here in the states.
 
Only for home consoles....as I think it was Reek who pointed out, the DS is simply destroying the PSP in the handheld market.....not too mention the gba and gb micro are still selling incredibly well.
 
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Only for home consoles....as I think it was Reek who pointed out, the DS is simply destroying the PSP in the handheld market.....not too mention the gba and gb micro are still selling incredibly well.
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Know a couple of people in Japan that own the PS2 over the 'childish' (as they describe it) Nintendo.
 
Oh I don't doubt it in the least bit. I'd say the ps2 has a much stronger foothold in the console dept. than Nintendo within the Japanese gaming market.
 
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Oh I don't doubt it in the least bit. I'd say the ps2 has a much stronger foothold in the console dept. than Nintendo within the Japanese gaming market.
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I dont care much for the portable devices either :P
 
I'm assuming you don't commute much. I favor reading on my commute but when a good game comes along for the DS or PSP, it can make a normally boring ride quite entertaining......not to mention the handheld gaming devices are *ahem* my best friend when it comes to quality toilet time :P
 
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I'm assuming you don't commute much. I favor reading on my commute but when a good game comes along for the DS or PSP, it can make a normally boring ride quite entertaining......not to mention the handheld gaming devices are *ahem* my best friend when it comes to quality toilet time :P
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:o
I have a laptop :)
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Settbacca @ Feb 22 2006, 03:14 PM) [snapback]48886[/snapback][/center]
I'm assuming you don't commute much. I favor reading on my commute but when a good game comes along for the DS or PSP, it can make a normally boring ride quite entertaining......not to mention the handheld gaming devices are *ahem* my best friend when it comes to quality toilet time :P
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THIS JUST IN: Settbacca's hand held contains more fecal matter then fastfood resturaunt ice!
 
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