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I cant really explain this without it sounding slightly anti-islamic so bare with me..
Im asking do you believe that the way of life in an Islamic ruled country like Iran at the moment is not slightly opressive and causes just the smallest amount of human suffering, more than what occurs in democratic country.
and the reason for this is justified because every1 will be going to an afterlife once they die.
its a genuine question that i feel needs asking even if it does seem slightly racist because i feel that in a place such as Iran you cannot blame the people that rule entirely because its the effect the religion has that determines its system of rule, ie its a way of life no matter whos in charge
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As I explained in an other post Iran is Shia, their teachings have differences than Quran's, most importantly their belief in Imams. More importantly in Iran they came with a coup after many years of opression and exile during Pehlevi regime which was backed by West. They had to fight against Iraq shortly after their revolution which was again backed by West at that time. You cant judge them fairly with out taking these facts in to consideration. U.S tried to freeze the country's funds and thats why they took U.S embassy staff as hostages. And Iran is still in their boykott list.
Now it doesnt matter whether in an Islamic ruled nation or not if a woman defends herself against rape and kills the attacker shes not guilty provided she can prove that an assault is made. Do you think its different in your country? Rape is a serious crime in every society . This is not open to argument. Its self-defense and its every human beings right.
Islam laws are very strict and fierce when it comes to protecting life and property. If you kill someone purposedly the penalty is death. Only the family of the victim can pardon you, noone else. Its called Kisas.
If you steal purposedly your arm is cut.
The laws are harsh coz life is valuable so is personal property. Thats why under Islam crime is hardly ever seen.
Women has the same rights as men. They can vote and can be elected, they can work, they can get education. However mixed education is not preferred, women are valuable for a muslim men, a married woman doesnt have to work, her husband has to. She doesnt even have to clean the house or cook and these are stated in Quran. Women's responsibility is only to be faithful and preserve what belongs to family. Any men who threats his wife wrong commits a sin. Ofcourse it happens just like it happens in every part of the world. But its advised and strictly ordered not to. Men can marry upto 4 wifes provided his wifes agree. If a man divorces a woman he has to pay the amount of money which is subject to agreement before marriage. The amount is women's choice.
Like I said islamic rules and laws are regulating this life but taking after-life as a goal. Adultry is a sin so its not allowed, Drinking alcohol is sin so its not allowed. However noone can care if u commit these acts in your house. Your house is your nation. Only you can decide what you want to do in it.
Furthermore you are free not to believe, then you are not bound with rules which binds muslims only. A woman who doesnt believe and openly states it,doesnt have to use a hood. A christian woman doesnt need to use a hood and so on. In ottoman empire jews and christians were subject to their laws.
You have the liberty to be an ateist however you cant organize and preach ateizm. You may call it against freedom of speech but islam doesnt allow it for ppl to organize to preach ateizm. If you belong to any other religion, you are free to perform yr rituals. You can have yr church or whatever.
I didnt assume, the current president of Iran is not from Clergy. Altho I find Shia's imam system is opposite to Quran's teachings.
Now western life style is much different than us. Western life style takes only current life into consideration and enjoyment from it. Its an evolving set of rules. Like gay marriage, like abortion, like voting rights to women. Western laws and way of life is man made.Its your choice and you are ofcourse free to do whatever you wish. But before coming to any conclusion about Islam atleast do some search and learn what it is.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Timi @ Feb 10 2006, 04:01 PM) [snapback]42409[/snapback][/center]
Wow....I'm really amazed at how someone as enlightened as you could be so blind. You think the middle east is sober of conspiracy, suppression, tourcher and death of their own? I've seen the video tapes of the Taliban lynching/killing individuals in the middle of the streets for not obiding by their beliefs. I've seen militants destroy ancient ruins with RPG's because they were not "Islamic", I've seen video footage of tyrants destruction of people with chemical warfare.
Argue oil all you damn please, but it will never cover the atrocities Arabs have caused their own people. Is America innocent of such things? No, but through slavery, civil war, civil rights, and a pluthora of other events will never match the chaos, destruction, and oppression that is the middle east.
The terrorist factions can attack the US...they can use chemical warfare or a nuclear weapon. Will it have an effect? Hell yeah it will have an effect, but one thing those dumbasses don't understand is although most Americans are caught up in Britney Spears, Paris Hilton, or Brangelina.....you attack us...our resolve is of that no other country can understand. The British learned it (love ya Scally), the Japanese learned it, and all terrorists no matter how long it takes will learn it. These riots in the middle east according to Iran and Syria and other middle eastern nations are to show the anger and ferocity of those individuals....that is nothing compared to the anger and ferocity we can anger up. The difference......we are civilized.
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No ofcourse not, I despise terrorist whether they call themselves muslims or not. They are in wrong. However I understand the reasoning behind it. Please do read my other posts again, I am stricly against all kind of opression and I am fully aware that all current muslim countries have a totaliter regime, some lighter and some even harsher. However West doesnt stop to support these regimes as long as they participate with them.
There is only one cure to terrorism, fairness and justice. You are very much mistaken to think otherwise.
