Supreme Court Rejects Condemned Inmate's Final Appeal

[Madrigal]

I don't believe in the death penalty. Normally, I think it's a barbaric practice and incontrovertible proof of Evolution (only apes could cook up something so jungular, therefore we must be apes). And today we toss it around like some candy of retribution to a bunch of howling political monkeys.

However, in cases where someone presents a serious threat to the public, even while incarcerated, then I believe we, as a society, have a responsibility to remove that threat. In which case, I could support an execution even though it goes completely against my belief system. One must always remain open to extraordinary circumstances.

In my opinion, the person executed last night presented such a threat. The crime he was executed for was committed from behind bars. Prison did not prevent him from having 3 innocents killed. And who knows what he could have hatched up in the future. Precedence was set. As much as I hate to say it, executing this man was the right thing to do.

So how's that for duality?

 

[Tiveria]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Madrigal @ Jan 17 2006, 11:49 AM) [snapback]29275[/snapback][/center]

I don't believe in the death penalty. Normally, I think it's a barbaric practice and incontrovertible proof of Evolution (only apes could cook up something so jungular, therefore we must be apes). And today we toss it around like some candy of retribution to a bunch of howling political monkeys.

However, in cases where someone presents a serious threat to the public, even while incarcerated, then I believe we, as a society, have a responsibility to remove that threat. In which case, I could support an execution even though it goes completely against my belief system. One must always remain open to extraordinary circumstances.

In my opinion, the person executed last night presented such a threat. The crime he was executed for was committed from behind bars. Prison did not prevent him from having 3 innocents killed. And who knows what he could have hatched up in the future. Precedence was set. As much as I hate to say it, executing this man was the right thing to do.

So how's that for duality?
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That's kind of what I was thinking, but just didn't come out right at all. Good read.

 

[DrewPA]

my thoughts on this is why in the world did it take so long that this jerk could have more peeps killed
I know they want to make sure 100% that this is the right person but this took way to long to get done.

 

[Curse]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Fluffy @ Jan 17 2006, 09:59 AM) [snapback]29206[/snapback][/center]

Hmpf, the convicted felon did not share your view on the matter. He very much decided to kill those 3 people. This wasn't a random act of violence, this was cold, and calculating. His conviction and sentence matched his crime.
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Well does it make it any better to solve the problem with him killing people by killing him? Do you really think we as humans have the right to take another's life?

 

[Fluffy]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Curse @ Jan 18 2006, 06:11 AM) [snapback]29465[/snapback][/center]

Well does it make it any better to solve the problem with him killing people by killing him? Do you really think we as humans have the right to take another's life?
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When he was prision for his original crimes he was still able to orchistrate murders while still in jail. There was only one way to stop this threat. What right do we have to jail another human, keep them locked in a cage and micromanage their everyday life? We do it to keep these criminals from harming other people, jail was not stopping this man from harming others. Executing him did.

I am not fond of capitial punishment and I think it is something for absolute rare cases, however in these cases it is a necessary step. I look at it as I would a war (NOT the invasion of Iraq, but a war). I don't support countries going to war, but there comes a time when you have to put a stop to asomething or someone threating to take your life.

Since you don't think we have the right to someone else's life, do you think it is okay for a country to go to war? It is obvious that in a war you will be taking human lives, so are you against all form of wars then?

EDIT: So to answer your question of do I think we have the right to take another person's life. Yes, I do, but it is a very severe and very grave responisbility not to be taken lightly. Humans are still animals, sometimes the law of survival does trump "morality".

 

[Eldiablo8]

I really wish the electric chair would be used more. No hood that way when the eyeballs explode people in the front row get a real show. Think about it. When you go to Sea World everyone wants to be splashed by Shamoo.

 

[LukeIIA]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(El-Diablos @ Jan 17 2006, 04:13 PM) [snapback]29648[/snapback][/center]

I really wish the electric chair would be used more. No hood that way when the eyeballs explode people in the front row get a real show. Think about it. When you go to Sea World everyone wants to be splashed by Shamoo.
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im all for that
and if you are really lucky he will loose control of his bowel

 

[Eldiablo8]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(LukeIIA @ Jan 17 2006, 05:15 PM) [snapback]29657[/snapback][/center]

im all for that
and if you are really lucky he will loose control of his bowel
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Eyeball explosion followed by the urine rinse. Truely a complete experience.

 

[LukeIIA]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(El-Diablos @ Jan 17 2006, 04:16 PM) [snapback]29660[/snapback][/center]

Eyeball explosion followed by the urine rinse. Truely a complete experience.
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sounds like a fun day at the office for me
:lol:

 

[Fluffy]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(El-Diablos @ Jan 18 2006, 08:16 AM) [snapback]29660[/snapback][/center]

Eyeball explosion followed by the urine rinse. Truely a complete experience.
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You guys do realize that underneath the hood the eyeballs were usually taped to the head...

 

[Eldiablo8]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Fluffy @ Jan 17 2006, 05:18 PM) [snapback]29665[/snapback][/center]

You guys do realize that underneath the hood the eyeballs were usually taped to the head...
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No we are talking about removing the tape too.

 

[Fluffy]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(El-Diablos @ Jan 18 2006, 08:20 AM) [snapback]29675[/snapback][/center]

No we are talking about removing the tape too.
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You guys probably wouldn't even wet the contact pieces....would you? Leaving them dry would most likely provide a more "graphic" display.

 

[DrewPA]

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QUOTE(Fluffy @ Jan 17 2006, 09:59 AM) *

Hmpf, the convicted felon did not share your view on the matter. He very much decided to kill those 3 people. This wasn't a random act of violence, this was cold, and calculating. His conviction and sentence matched his crime.


Well does it make it any better to solve the problem with him killing people by killing him? Do you really think we as humans have the right to take another's life?



YES I DO.
this guy had not right to take the life of 4 peeps at all ever. I think we should take this a step even father too. I think we should make it open to the public and sell snakes too. this way peeps well not kill rape stell if they know at 6 pm everyone that want to watch them crap there paints when the gass starts to flow can.
I think we give them to many dam rights in jail.

 

[Eldiablo8]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Fluffy @ Jan 17 2006, 05:25 PM) [snapback]29696[/snapback][/center]

You guys probably wouldn't even wet the contact pieces....would you? Leaving them dry would most likely provide a more "graphic" display.
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Yes the smell of burnt bacon.

 

[Gaarawar]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Tiveria @ Jan 17 2006, 07:03 AM) [snapback]29215[/snapback][/center]

I hate this topic. I hate the idea of killing people because we're not God to dictate who lives and who dies. On the other hand, our prisons are over-flowing.

Because of this, I don't like the death-penalty, but often feel it's necessary.
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Two things:
1. There is supposed to be a separation of church and State in this country, despite the fact that it doesn't happen that often. So to use "God" as a reason not to put someone to death for their crime really shouldn't be allowed.
2. Not all of us believe in "God" or any "gods" for that matter and to impose such beliefs on the American people is in effect religiously persecuting those that don't have your faith. Should those that don't believe in "God" die at this person's will just because you do believe?

*grins* I love playing Devil's Advocate by the way. Don't read into the above comments anything about my actual beliefs. Thanks.

 

[Fluffy]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Gaarawar @ Jan 18 2006, 08:48 AM) [snapback]29780[/snapback][/center]

Two things:
1. There is supposed to be a separation of church and State in this country, despite the fact that it doesn't happen that often. So to use "God" as a reason not to put someone to death for their crime really shouldn't be allowed.
2. Not all of us believe in "God" or any "gods" for that matter and to impose such beliefs on the American people is in effect religiously persecuting those that don't have your faith. Should those that don't believe in "God" die at this person's will just because you do believe?

*grins* I love playing Devil's Advocate by the way. Don't read into the above comments anything about my actual beliefs. Thanks.
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"God is dead....and no one cares"
-NIN

 

[Eldiablo8]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Fluffy @ Jan 17 2006, 05:49 PM) [snapback]29782[/snapback][/center]

"God is dead....and no one cares"
-NIN


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If there is a hell, I'll see you there.

 

[Curse]

To answer your question Fluffy I don't have one. I'm still undecided on war. There are corrupt people on both sides that incite war and a war starts because those corrupt people are at the top of the political food chain. I still believe we as humans don't have the right to take another's life. Imprisonment is another thing though. Some people need to be in prison so they don't kill anymore. So he arranged murders from jail? That just means the security there needs to get tighter.

 

[Fluffy]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Curse @ Jan 18 2006, 02:08 PM) [snapback]29892[/snapback][/center]

To answer your question Fluffy I don't have one. I'm still undecided on war. There are corrupt people on both sides that incite war and a war starts because those corrupt people are at the top of the political food chain. I still believe we as humans don't have the right to take another's life. Imprisonment is another thing though. Some people need to be in prison so they don't kill anymore. So he arranged murders from jail? That just means the security there needs to get tighter.
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Yeah, well no security is going to stop him from talking to people. Unless you put him into solitary for the rest of his life, but then you would have to start doing that with all the criminals that "might" do that, so their secruity is tighter. Simple answer: You can't. A crook like that will always find a way to get his methods/agendas through. There was only one way to stop him...and it was done.

I applaud your morality, and your sense of human life. It is truly admirable, I would have gotten on your case if you supported war but were against the taking of human life. However, all that being said. there are some times when you need to take drastic measures to stop that kind of neverending violence. Same reason why the country needs to have an active military. Yeah, the things they do are often brutal and harsh, but the alternative is far worse if you don't have them. As long as humans remain instinctively predatorial, we need to do ugly things to other humans.

I am not saying "Hurray death!", but I accept it as a necessary evil in our evil world.

 

[Artica]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Fluffy @ Jan 18 2006, 06:52 AM) [snapback]30025[/snapback][/center]

Yeah, well no security is going to stop him from talking to people. Unless you put him into solitary for the rest of his life, but then you would have to start doing that with all the criminals that "might" do that, so their secruity is tighter. Simple answer: You can't. A crook like that will always find a way to get his methods/agendas through. There was only one way to stop him...and it was done.

I applaud your morality, and your sense of human life. It is truly admirable, I would have gotten on your case if you supported war but were against the taking of human life. However, all that being said. there are some times when you need to take drastic measures to stop that kind of neverending violence. Same reason why the country needs to have an active military. Yeah, the things they do are often brutal and harsh, but the alternative is far worse if you don't have them. As long as humans remain instinctively predatorial, we need to do ugly things to other humans.

I am not saying "Hurray death!", but I accept it as a necessary evil in our evil world.
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And the cicle will continue. You hurt someone, and that someone's family will come and hunt you, and then viceversa. It will be never ending. In this case war is motivated by a resource. For my standards, it was acceptable to go against the Alkeida (sp), since they attacke first. However, how did they link it to Saddam? No idea. In the end they didn't show proof of the weapons saddam was supposed to be hiding.
And to all that, add all the deaths of the innocent people that live there.