20 things gamers want from the seventh generation of game consoles
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Whewa @ Sep 21 2006, 02:34 AM) [snapback]118577[/snapback][/center]
Only thing I didn't like was the rant about loading screens. Saying that consoles 10 years ago didn't have loading screens so games now shouldn't isn't too good a point. They used to run on carterages which were read faster, now that they are on CDs DVDs and Blueray it is going to take longer to get the info from them, and thus the loading screens.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Fluffy @ Sep 21 2006, 03:11 AM) [snapback]118603[/snapback][/center]
I just see it as a necessary evil. Naturally information can't be read from a dvd as quick as it can a carterage, however carterages cost more money to make and usually hold less data. Sure it would be freking sweet if we could play games on carterages again, but I doubt that will ever happen except with handhelds.
I agree with a lot of it, and I disagree on a lot of it. For example, I'd love to see smarter AI. But it's not like the game devs have an "AI difficult knob" that they adjust for their games. AI is controlled by pre-programmed paths and complex mathematical calculations. You can't just make AI "smarter." In order for a baddie to be able to utilize it's surroundings, it needs to have that path programmed in it. And of course, there's an infinite number of paths that can be programmed. We won't see "smart" AI that can adapt to it's surroundings for at least another 10 years, cause the technology to make that happen does not exist. Good voice recognition software won't be available until we hit the 10Ghz mark anyway (if Moore's law holds true, this should happen within the next two years). As of now, even for the PS3 or XBox 360, AI is controlled by pre-programmed paths and probability and dice are used to make the AI "smart." And when we do reach the point where AI becomes self-sufficiently smart, then we'll have much bigger issues to worry about than games.
The guy also suggested different genres be introduced. With the current state of technology, I think we've tapped into all available genres. His suggestion of an actual spy game is no different than an RPG.
The use of cutscene graphics to promote a game is true. I agree with him 100%.
As for AO games, it won't happen cause you have assholes like Hillary Clinton as politicians. Remember the Hot Coffee controversy with GTA: San Andreas? Thank that cunt for fucking over any hope for getting more mature-oriented games into the market. If those games ever do make it out, you won't be able to get them publicly at everyday retailers, cause of CPA/COPA regulations. And those attempts at adult-oriented games have not done too well (UltraVixen) or have been abandoned (Spend the Night - http://www.republikgames.com/).
As for the woman thing, yeah, it's always some smoking hot babe in the game. But then again, who (male or female) wants to play a game where the fat lunch lady is the star?
John Madden.....thats how Madden talks IRL. He repeats the same phrase every 3 plays.
Camera Angles - This feature was made by the consumer...not by developers. Gamers were demanding it, and developers made it. SUre there are some design flaws in some games involving this, but don't ask for marshmellows in your hot chocolate and then after they've melted in it, ask for them to be removed.
Difficulty.....See my point on AI
Point 13 - Sounds to me like he's lazy. He wants an "i win" button. No cookie for him on this one.
Short Sighted Business - Don't talk about business when you obviously know nothing about it. Just look at the BCG matrix and Ansoff's Grid and you will understand WHY there's GTA clones and stuff like that. As far as the NFL deal with EA, so what? Do you NEED to play as Peyton Manning in order to deem the game as good? The new Blitz game by Midway is pretty damn good, without NFL teams and players. And by not having those NFL restrictions, other companies can add SO much more features into the game that EA can't....such as beatdowns, swearing, etc. EA may have gotten the deal, but in the end, innovation by another company will win.
Point 17 - Face it, consumers want ONE system that will do everything. It's a proven fact. Less wires, more compact, and less hassle....instead of having a dedicated gaming system, dedicated DVD player, dedicated DVR, etc.
The guy also suggested different genres be introduced. With the current state of technology, I think we've tapped into all available genres. His suggestion of an actual spy game is no different than an RPG.
The use of cutscene graphics to promote a game is true. I agree with him 100%.
As for AO games, it won't happen cause you have assholes like Hillary Clinton as politicians. Remember the Hot Coffee controversy with GTA: San Andreas? Thank that cunt for fucking over any hope for getting more mature-oriented games into the market. If those games ever do make it out, you won't be able to get them publicly at everyday retailers, cause of CPA/COPA regulations. And those attempts at adult-oriented games have not done too well (UltraVixen) or have been abandoned (Spend the Night - http://www.republikgames.com/).
As for the woman thing, yeah, it's always some smoking hot babe in the game. But then again, who (male or female) wants to play a game where the fat lunch lady is the star?
John Madden.....thats how Madden talks IRL. He repeats the same phrase every 3 plays.
Camera Angles - This feature was made by the consumer...not by developers. Gamers were demanding it, and developers made it. SUre there are some design flaws in some games involving this, but don't ask for marshmellows in your hot chocolate and then after they've melted in it, ask for them to be removed.
Difficulty.....See my point on AI
Point 13 - Sounds to me like he's lazy. He wants an "i win" button. No cookie for him on this one.
Short Sighted Business - Don't talk about business when you obviously know nothing about it. Just look at the BCG matrix and Ansoff's Grid and you will understand WHY there's GTA clones and stuff like that. As far as the NFL deal with EA, so what? Do you NEED to play as Peyton Manning in order to deem the game as good? The new Blitz game by Midway is pretty damn good, without NFL teams and players. And by not having those NFL restrictions, other companies can add SO much more features into the game that EA can't....such as beatdowns, swearing, etc. EA may have gotten the deal, but in the end, innovation by another company will win.
Point 17 - Face it, consumers want ONE system that will do everything. It's a proven fact. Less wires, more compact, and less hassle....instead of having a dedicated gaming system, dedicated DVD player, dedicated DVR, etc.
BananaMan
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Pawe @ Sep 20 2006, 05:23 PM) [snapback]118569[/snapback][/center]
I agree in this context, but we must analyze the situation we in the gaming industry have products to sell, and the majority of gamers agree on most of our terms. The fact that the article questions A.I to be indicative, as I am sure the reader has not played the next generation of MGS or Residential Evil. One must remember we in the gaming industry are stuck in a parity between providing for the hardcore gamer and providing for the casual gamer, going down the center road normally means we have to sacrifice things on both sides.
In reference the screenshots and movies of MGS and Resident Evil 5 are all in game pictures, and I relate to this below.
http://www.gameland.ru/post/28258/4.jpg
Actually 45% of the gaming consumer base are women, but women are not as vocal or anal as men when it comes to showing there opinions demographically, or through surveys or questionnaires. Publishers, and Development studios are opening their eyes to this issue, and things are starting to roll out as I type this message.
One of the main movers and shakers has been Nintendo on this issue, and I would love to see the females within my market get more games aimed at them, so that we at Sony sell more consoles
A main Nintendo flaw, here they love to put save "zones" in platforms, I never understood why really. Most games these days are "free" save allowing the player to save at any location.
Loading screens for Sony at least are in the past, and I assure many of our releases Developers willing will have no Load screens, a bit like Tony Hawks Underground for Xbox 360.
This guy seriously has some problems, if he thinks the games industry hates it consumers. We must be doing well; we have nearly taken over the movie industry in profit margins.
Oh, and if you have a problem with Immersion just wait till you get a load of IGA (In Game Advertising), which is going to be the next big thing in games. The market is currently at $10 million, but forecasts show it will be at least $300 million by 2010. By way the worlds largest Publisher Electronic Arts is leading the way on IGA, so it will be coming to game near you soon.
This is because we are in this business to make money, we all have lives to live, and without profit, and ?Business Bullshit? as the guy so nicely puts it, we wouldn't retain our jobs.
Star Wars Galaxies anyone?
Poor NES, we have already sold over 100 million PS2?s.
I agree, its not a games machine it?s a HES (Home Entertainment System), like the XBOX 360 Media Center.
In analysis, and reflection this guy made some clear points, but in a seriously ignorant way. He may of Researched some aspects, but didn't really spend much time on it. It just looks like a one sided rant to me, clearly outlining his opinion on the matter. Sure you may have some similarities, but if you totally agree with him, I seriously question your logic.
Again if you have any questions, PM me.
I agree in this context, but we must analyze the situation we in the gaming industry have products to sell, and the majority of gamers agree on most of our terms. The fact that the article questions A.I to be indicative, as I am sure the reader has not played the next generation of MGS or Residential Evil. One must remember we in the gaming industry are stuck in a parity between providing for the hardcore gamer and providing for the casual gamer, going down the center road normally means we have to sacrifice things on both sides.
In reference the screenshots and movies of MGS and Resident Evil 5 are all in game pictures, and I relate to this below.
http://www.gameland.ru/post/28258/4.jpg
Actually 45% of the gaming consumer base are women, but women are not as vocal or anal as men when it comes to showing there opinions demographically, or through surveys or questionnaires. Publishers, and Development studios are opening their eyes to this issue, and things are starting to roll out as I type this message.
One of the main movers and shakers has been Nintendo on this issue, and I would love to see the females within my market get more games aimed at them, so that we at Sony sell more consoles
A main Nintendo flaw, here they love to put save "zones" in platforms, I never understood why really. Most games these days are "free" save allowing the player to save at any location.
Loading screens for Sony at least are in the past, and I assure many of our releases Developers willing will have no Load screens, a bit like Tony Hawks Underground for Xbox 360.
This guy seriously has some problems, if he thinks the games industry hates it consumers. We must be doing well; we have nearly taken over the movie industry in profit margins.
Oh, and if you have a problem with Immersion just wait till you get a load of IGA (In Game Advertising), which is going to be the next big thing in games. The market is currently at $10 million, but forecasts show it will be at least $300 million by 2010. By way the worlds largest Publisher Electronic Arts is leading the way on IGA, so it will be coming to game near you soon.
This is because we are in this business to make money, we all have lives to live, and without profit, and ?Business Bullshit? as the guy so nicely puts it, we wouldn't retain our jobs.
Star Wars Galaxies anyone?
Poor NES, we have already sold over 100 million PS2?s.
I agree, its not a games machine it?s a HES (Home Entertainment System), like the XBOX 360 Media Center.
In analysis, and reflection this guy made some clear points, but in a seriously ignorant way. He may of Researched some aspects, but didn't really spend much time on it. It just looks like a one sided rant to me, clearly outlining his opinion on the matter. Sure you may have some similarities, but if you totally agree with him, I seriously question your logic.
Again if you have any questions, PM me.
Fluffy
Vote Stewart/Colbert in '08!
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Stavrose @ Sep 20 2006, 04:42 PM) [snapback]118731[/snapback][/center]
I think the point he was trying to make here was that he wants more Half-Life AI as comapred to Domm III AI, there is a significant difference between the two and it does not resort to programming infinite learning possibilities either.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Stavrose @ Sep 20 2006, 04:42 PM) [snapback]118731[/snapback][/center]
A good example of different genres would probably be like having a "spy" game like Thief, instead of Doom III (he uses this example a lot because the game is all glitz and graphics and very little meat to it, which is his main theme throught the read)
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Stavrose @ Sep 20 2006, 04:42 PM) [snapback]118731[/snapback][/center]
His point is to not alienate a gender from playing the game, not that we rather see fat lunch ladies.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Stavrose @ Sep 20 2006, 04:42 PM) [snapback]118731[/snapback][/center]
/shrug it again is talking about breaking the pre-fitted models of the gaming industry. Gamers want different things, not the same thing re-hashed over and over again, but with better graphics.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Stavrose @ Sep 20 2006, 04:42 PM) [snapback]118731[/snapback][/center]
As I don't agree with his idea of buisness, but I think using the example of Blitz being a good game is not the point. Madden will completely outsell all the other football games out there because it is Madden and because you can not play as the Chigago Bears (or *insert your favorite NFL team here*) in any other game.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Stavrose @ Sep 20 2006, 04:42 PM) [snapback]118731[/snapback][/center]
I think the point he was trying to make here was that he wants more Half-Life AI as comapred to Domm III AI, there is a significant difference between the two and it does not resort to programming infinite learning possibilities either.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Stavrose @ Sep 20 2006, 04:42 PM) [snapback]118731[/snapback][/center]
A good example of different genres would probably be like having a "spy" game like Thief, instead of Doom III (he uses this example a lot because the game is all glitz and graphics and very little meat to it, which is his main theme throught the read)
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Stavrose @ Sep 20 2006, 04:42 PM) [snapback]118731[/snapback][/center]
His point is to not alienate a gender from playing the game, not that we rather see fat lunch ladies.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Stavrose @ Sep 20 2006, 04:42 PM) [snapback]118731[/snapback][/center]
/shrug it again is talking about breaking the pre-fitted models of the gaming industry. Gamers want different things, not the same thing re-hashed over and over again, but with better graphics.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Stavrose @ Sep 20 2006, 04:42 PM) [snapback]118731[/snapback][/center]
As I don't agree with his idea of buisness, but I think using the example of Blitz being a good game is not the point. Madden will completely outsell all the other football games out there because it is Madden and because you can not play as the Chigago Bears (or *insert your favorite NFL team here*) in any other game.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Stavrose @ Sep 20 2006, 04:42 PM) [snapback]118731[/snapback][/center]
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Stavrose @ Sep 20 2006, 01:42 PM) [snapback]118731[/snapback][/center]
In the PSX, Metal Gear Solid. The AI practically reads the first controller, making the fight very tough. Beatable but very tough. That technology is used, but is not applied on all games. Put in contrast the AI of Republic Commando with the AI of Battlefront. In Battlefront the soldiers just run like a wild mob, not like professional soldiers, you end up hitting many of your own team in the process. In Republic Commando, the AI is more difficult. Your Team mates move accordingly with you so you don't hit one another, and the enemies shoot and hide, or jump above you making quite difficult to land shots. The challenging AI is possible; However games like doom or Quake 4 don't use it. They just charge at you, if you have enough ammo, they are as good as dead. Those types of games are very easy to beat, no matter the difficulty settings.
Fluffy
Vote Stewart/Colbert in '08!
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(MoobKrad @ Sep 20 2006, 06:14 PM) [snapback]118821[/snapback][/center]
Psycho Mantis FTW! One of the best mini-boss battles ever. Yeah he was "beatable" with the controller in the first slot but man, it cost me most of my ammo and health packs to do it, making the next stage or so extremely difficult. One of the best solutions to beat him easily as well.
Psycho Mantis FTW! One of the best mini-boss battles ever. Yeah he was "beatable" with the controller in the first slot but man, it cost me most of my ammo and health packs to do it, making the next stage or so extremely difficult. One of the best solutions to beat him easily as well.